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Identity Rooted in the Secret Place (Not in Public Affirmation) | Season 9 Episode 6
Guests: Kalley Heiligenthal • December 8th, 2025
In a time where everything is livestreamed, posted, and performed, Pastor Banning and Kalley Heiligenthal—worship leader, songwriter, and pastor—challenge us to ask: If our gift never multiplies or reaches a crowd but simply brings joy to God… can that be enough? In a world obsessed with visibility, this episode is a reminder that who we are matters more than what we produce.
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Banning Liebscher https://www.instagram.com/thebanning
Kalley Heiligenthal https://www.instagram.com/kalleyheili
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